Evidence of meeting #118 for Status of Women in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Cait Alexander  End Violence Everywhere, As an Individual
Megan Walker  Advocate to End Male Violence Against Women, As an Individual
Chief Nick Milinovich  Deputy Chief of Police, Peel Regional Police
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Madeleine Martin

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

I want to thank the witnesses for coming here and for their incredible testimony.

I want to reassure both of you, but especially you, Cait, because you said that you don't believe any of us care, that all of us on this committee care very deeply. That's why we've done so many studies on intimate partner violence. We've had testimony like yours that is very difficult to hear but has been very important to put forward recommendations. We believe you, and we believe others like you.

Our government has put in many measures to try to make sure that the things that happened to you don't happen to others. There are numerous bills: Bill C-51 is on amending sexual assault laws. Bill C-75 is on bail reforms. Bill C-48 targets repeat offenders of intimate partner violence. Bill C-28 is on intoxication not being used as a defence. Bill C-63 is on online harms.

We also have a national action plan on gender-based violence that has been signed by all the provinces. We put $539 million in budget 2022 behind that, something that the Conservatives actually voted against.

I want to start by saying that if anyone tries to say there's anyone in this room who doesn't care about this issue, I think they are playing partisan games. People in this room have spent their lives fighting on this issue and listening to that kind of testimony. I just want to reassure you of that.

I also do, with respect, want to talk a little bit about how this meeting came about.

We have had studies that we've all agreed on to talk about these issues. In fact, we're in the middle of a study right now on coercive control for which we have put forth a number of witnesses we'd like to hear from as a committee.

We know that the Leader of the Opposition has asked Conservative-chaired committees to hold as many meetings as possible during the summer to take us away from the important work we're doing by listening to our constituents. We also know that, in this case, it was a few days' notice. None of the members, except the Conservatives, were given the opportunity to put forth witness names, which is something that every committee does out of basic fairness and respect.

I personally had a number of names of witnesses I would have loved to hear from. In fact, there were witness names added an hour before the meeting, so members didn't even have a chance to plan or prepare the kinds of questions they might want to ask.

I know that, for this committee, this is something we've never done. We do not use victims' and survivors' trauma to try to score political points in this committee. This is cruel. I think it's cruel to have people relive the trauma they've endured just to be able to have a meeting so that if it's not agreed to, there are all kinds of social media posts that Liberals or others don't care about this issue, which, as we all know, we do very deeply.

I know that under the previous chair, this committee worked with great respect for one another. We made sure that we.... The vice-chairs weren't even consulted about having this meeting. Yes, it's an emergency. I would have loved to have an emergency meeting in June so that we could have gotten our red dress alert study done before the end of the session.

Honestly, we saw yesterday that Karen Vecchio, our former chair, announced that she's not running again, which I think is very sad, because I believe that this committee has important work to do. We have done it with great—

11:50 a.m.

End Violence Everywhere, As an Individual

Cait Alexander

I never got—

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

I have the floor, Madam Chair.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman

Anita currently has the floor.

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Madam Chair, I would like to move a motion.

The reason I'm moving a motion is that in this committee, we've respected each other. There are very important issues on which we have adjourned debate—

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Advocate to End Male Violence Against Women, As an Individual

Megan Walker

Violence against women is the most important issue that we can address.

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

—and I would like to resume debate.

I'm hoping that the committee could vote quickly on this motion, hopefully unanimously, so that we can go back to the study and the witnesses we have today. If we vote right away, it will only take five minutes. I would like to resume debate on the motion on which we adjourned debate on May 13, 2022.

The motion reads as follows:

That the Standing Committee on the Status of Women report to the House that (a) access and availability to reproduction health services no matter where one lives in Canada, including safe and legal abortion, is a Charter right, and is ensured under the Canada Health Act, and (b) the decision to have an abortion made by women, transgender, and non-binary individuals for any reason, is their freedom of choice and theirs alone.

Madam Chair, we have refrained from putting forward motions like this because of collegiality, but at this moment, we're not.... I hope we can do a vote immediately on this motion and then get back to our witnesses right away. We'd only lose five minutes in this meeting.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman

This is a dilatory motion; hence, we need to explore it and have the vote.

There will be no debate. It's a dilatory motion.

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Madam Chair, I have my hand up.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman

At this point, we've called the vote.

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Madam Chair—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman

We are in the middle of the vote, Andréanne.

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Ms. Vandenbeld read the motion very quickly, and I'm a bit shocked by how this is going.

Can we have the motion in writing, please?

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

It's resuming debate on a motion that we've started already.

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Yes, Ms. Vandenbeld, but we are in committee right now, and we were debating something else—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman

Speak through the chair.

Is there a written copy of the motion?

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

When you move a motion, I would like to have it in writing. That's my right.

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Yes. It's right here.

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

I would like to receive it by email, Ms. Vandenbeld, please. If it's not possible now, we'll come back to it at another time.

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

It's resuming debate on a motion that was already on the floor.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman

Madam Larouche, we need to continue with the vote.

(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 4)

At this point, we'll resume debate on the motion.

Michelle.

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Madam Chair, I'd like to speak to the motion.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman

I'll add your name to the speaking list.

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Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

Madam Chair, what people are watching at home right now is.... We have a debate on the floor. We called an emergency meeting because Stats Canada released shocking statistics. We've seen an increase of 75% in sexual assaults since 2015, and total sexual violations against children are up 119%—

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

I have a point of order, Madam Chair. Can I speak?