Thank you so much, Chair, and thanks to all the witnesses for their testimony.
My first question is for Madame Lessard.
You spoke about coercive control. We often kind of bandy back and forth in this study about punishment versus rehabilitation for people who have exhibited violent behaviours. I'm of the mind that people certainly need to be held responsible for their behaviour, but penitentiaries are very anti-social and violent institutions. I feel that they're probably not the best places to assist people who have violent behaviours. In fact, we know there are very high recidivism rates.
I'm wondering if you could share your thoughts on that.