Thank you, and thank you to all the witnesses for coming here today. It's good to see you again, Senator.
Thank you, Esther, for sharing the story of your family, and thank you, Madame Auger-Voyer, for doing the work that you do. It's difficult work.
I just want to point out before I start asking questions that I think we're all here because we want justice. Sometimes we have different opinions on how justice is arrived at, but I think the goal is the same: to get justice. I want to honour difference, but we also have a similar goal in all of this.
I want to start with you, Madame Auger-Voyer.
Your testimony was a little bit different. One of the things you said is that carceral responses do not work. I know from our study of the red dress, particularly pertaining to indigenous women, that a lot of women won't go to the police because we have a history of either being over-policed or under-policed. We also have experiences with systemic racism within the justice system overall, which is what Bill C-5 tried to address. I'm certainly not an expert on it, so I don't really want to speak to Bill C-5 at all, but I know that was the intention of it.
I want you to speak a little bit about the carceral responses and where that opinion comes from for you.