You're absolutely right. Thank you for raising the subject. We're very proud of the fact that Canada is one of 11 countries or states that have banned conversion therapy, making it a criminal offence. What we're learning on the ground is that very few people know what conversion therapy is, and that includes stakeholders, law enforcement, the health care community and educational community. When we meet with people on the ground, there is a great deal of confusion among the public. Many people believe that conversion therapy is gender-affirming therapy, in other words, to become gay, lesbian or trans. So we're working hard to raise awareness and inform people about these therapies.
Also, just because conversion therapy has been banned doesn't mean the work is done. We're seeing a number of challenges, because therapies are taking other forms. They're even more hidden and more insidious, and they're still happening. For example, two journalists from the former Metro newspaper infiltrated churches in Montreal and were very quickly able to obtain conversion therapy services. In addition, with everything we know about telemedicine, therapies are being moved elsewhere and offered virtually, often from the United States. So that's where we're at with conversion therapy.
As a final thought on that point, we need help finding victims. Let me explain. The very nature of conversion therapy means that victims are often stuck with the people immediately around them who are complicit in the conversion therapy. This makes it very difficult for victims to report the people in their circle who encouraged them to undergo conversion therapy in the first place. This makes it hard for us to find victims, given the complexity of conversion therapy.