While it's very important to think about justice, I think there are many ways to think about it. One is with the approach I think I'm hearing in your question, which is a punitive approach towards justice. I think there are other ways to approach justice. That's why conversations like this, listening to witnesses who are providing real-life testimony, allow us to understand how broader narratives around the pathologization of queer and trans people, some of which has been echoed in the House of Commons itself, have consequences. It's not only about the punishment but also about us all acting responsibly with our words to prevent crimes from happening.
