Evidence of meeting #51 for Status of Women in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was athletes.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Isabelle Mondou  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Jaimie Earley  Deputy Director General, Sport Canada, Department of Canadian Heritage
Emmanuelle Sajous  Assistant Deputy Minister, Sport, Major Events and Commemorations, Department of Canadian Heritage

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

I call the meeting to order.

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 51st meeting of the House of Commons Standing Committee on the Status of Women. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted on October 31, 2022, the committee will resume its study on women and girls in sport.

Today’s meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of June 23, 2022. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely by using the Zoom application.

I would like to make a few comments for the benefit of the witnesses and members.

Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. For those participating by video conference, click on the microphone icon to activate your mike, and please mute it when you are not speaking.

For interpretation for those on Zoom, you have the choice at the bottom of your screen of floor, English or French. For those in the room, you can use the earpiece and select the desired channel.

I remind you that all comments should be addressed through the chair.

For members in the room, if you wish to speak, please raise your hand. For members on Zoom, please use the “raise hand” function. The clerk and I will manage the speaking order as best we can, and we appreciate your patience and understanding in this regard.

Before we welcome our witnesses, I would like to provide this trigger warning. This will be a difficult study. We will be discussing experiences related to abuse. This may be triggering to viewers, members or staff if they have had similar experiences. If you feel distressed or if you need help, please advise the clerk.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses. Appearing for the first hour today is the Honourable Pascale St-Onge, member of Parliament, Minister of Sport and Minister responsible for the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec. With her is Isabelle Mondou from the Department of Canadian Heritage, who is the deputy minister.

Pascale, I will be providing you five minutes for your opening comments. When you see me start to throw up my arms, squeeze it down.

The floor is yours, Minister, for five minutes.

11 a.m.

Brome—Missisquoi Québec

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge LiberalMinister of Sport and Minister responsible for the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec

Madam Chair, members of the committee, good morning.

First of all, I would like to thank you for this invitation to contribute to your committee's study. What has been your focus for several weeks has also been of concern to me since the beginning of my mandate. I am horrified by the stories we are privy to, and I salute the courage of those who dare to speak out.

I think of the teenage girls who are forced onto brutal diets or weight loss pills, which destroy both self-image and self-confidence. This has disastrous consequences for the rest of their lives. I am thinking of children who, under the guise of helping them achieve excellence, are exposed to abusive training, which causes irreparable injury. I think of children who are sexually abused by coaches who should be behind bars. It is absolutely appalling, and I share your outrage. There is simply no reason or justification as to why sport should equal abuse.

Over the past year, I have met with athletes, victims and survivors. I have also spoken to experts and researchers from all walks of life. All these people want to be part of the solution. I find this very encouraging, because it also means that the culture of silence is being broken.

Among the voices that are being raised, some are calling for investigations. To me, it is clear that it is not a question of whether something should be done, but more importantly how it should be done.

Just to be clear regarding calls for an inquiry, it's not a matter of if we need to do something, but how.

My goals are to do justice to survivors in a safe, trauma-focused way, and then to take stock of what has been accomplished and what remains to be done to ensure the safety of all participants in sport. We are currently assessing the best ways to achieve both of these goals, and the relevant recommendations of this committee could play a major role. In the meantime, there are some very concrete things that need to be done that cannot wait.

Since my appointment as Minister of Sport, I have used all the powers I have to accelerate change. Now is the time to tackle the power imbalance between athletes and the sport system by amplifying their voices and providing support to athlete organizations.

We also know that sport will only be made safe if we improve the governance, accountability, training, education and capacity to prevent abuse and maltreatment across the organizations in the sport system. We've all read the headlines. When governance and accountability fail, bad decisions are taken and our athletes pay the price. We can change that. I am changing that. I am reviewing how and under what requirements the federal government finances national sport organizations. Sport should not regulate itself. We must provide support and services to victims when it does happen.

In 2019, more than 1,000 athletes took part in a study to determine what could be done to make sport safer. One recommendation in particular came out loud and clear above all the others: It was that the federal government create an independent complaint mechanism where athletes could go with their experiences without fear of reprisal.

The Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner, or OSIC, is that mechanism, and it is fully independent. It responds to the standards of independence set by scholars, experts and athletes alike. Like many federal agencies, OSIC is federally funded, but operates with an independent board of directors. It is independent of Sport Canada and of sport organizations.

A little more than six months since its creation, more than half of the national sport organizations have already signed to OSIC. I expect that all of them will be signatories in the next few months.

However, even if all national sport organizations sign on, there will still be a huge gap—one we cannot ignore. While the federal government and national sport organizations are responsible for about 3,700 athletes, the vast majority of cases of abuse and maltreatment happen outside the federal scope. They happen in local clubs, leagues and gyms, all of which are within the responsibility of provincial, territorial and local authorities.

This harsh reality was recently pointed out by an extensive investigative report from CBC. Canadians all over the country are asking us to fill that gap.

This is the next step, but I can't do it alone. There are many aspects to this issue, as well as demands for inquiries, that require us all to work together in the interests of the athletes. That is why next week, when I meet with my provincial and territorial counterparts, I will reaffirm the urgency of working together to ensure better protection, better harmonization of the system, and the establishment of a reliable complaints mechanism.

There is no reason why children and young athletes should not have equal protection from coast to coast. All levels of government, including the provinces and territories, must do what it takes to ensure that abusers are excluded from our sports system.

I want to close by thanking this committee for its work. We have an opportunity to improve the face of sport. Together we can do it.

Thank you for your attention.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you very much, Minister. We really do appreciate your words and your being here today.

This is our final day of doing this study, so I know we have lots of questions for you.

I'm going to stick right to the time today, so your six minutes is six minutes. Please make sure that when you're doing your questions, you're providing time for the minister as well.

We're going to start our first round of six minutes with Anna Roberts.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Minister, for joining us today. This committee feels along the same lines as what you stated earlier, which is that we need to protect our children. I feel that's the goal of every single member of this committee, so I'm proud to be part of it.

I have a few questions for you. Maybe you could help me.

When did you take over the portfolio of Minister of Sport?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

It was after the last election, when Parliament started, at the beginning of 2021.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Okay.

How many national sports organizations do you fund?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

There are about 70 NSOs, national sport organizations, but in total we fund close to 94 organizations.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

It's 94.

Minister, you set a deadline of April 1, 2023, for national sport organizations to sign agreements to work with the new Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner, or OSIC.

Why was it April? How did you determine that month?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

That is when the new funding cycle starts. We allow a bit of time for organizations to adjust their internal policies, because to be signatories of OSIC, the universal code of conduct must be applied. There are several changes in policies with which organizations must comply.

They needed a period of time. However, it was made clear that starting from the next funding cycle, if organizations want to receive federal funding, they need to be signatories.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

What happens to NSOs that don't sign the agreement by April 1? Are they automatically eliminated from the funding?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

We will suspend their funding until they comply.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Okay.

When did Gymnastics Canada agree to become part of the sport integrity commission? Do you have any dates for us?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

I don't currently have the specific date.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Perhaps we can get back to that one.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Yes, we can provide you with the exact date they became signatories.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Gymnastics Canada specifically needed an extension. Can you advise why they needed the extension?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Go ahead, Isabelle.

11:10 a.m.

Isabelle Mondou Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

When they sign, they have to—as the minister said—comply with certain policies.

They signed and asked for a certain time to comply and then needed an additional 10 days, I believe—I'm going from memory—to make sure they put everything in place that a signatory is required to put in place. It was a short extension. They asked in December.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Will they get one beyond April 1?

11:10 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

No, absolutely not.

I don't remember the date. We can get that to you. I think they were supposed to be officially ready for full compliance with OSIC at the beginning of December. They asked for—if memory serves me right—a two-week extension. It's already passed and done.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Currently, 35 organizations are publicly listed on sportintegritycommissioner.ca as having signed an agreement with OSIC. Is this list up to date?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

We're up to 43, by my understanding. Before April, everyone should be signatories.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

You made a few comments about coaches being behind bars. I'm so happy to hear you say that.

My question is, how do we get them behind bars? We heard from Ian Moss, the CEO of Gymnastics Canada. It didn't leave me with a good feeling that he understood the importance of ensuring these coaches are held accountable. How are we going to do that?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pascale St-Onge Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

I think we have two challenges.

The first one is making sure those who perpetrate abuse or maltreatment in the sport system are out of the sport system. That can be done through an independent mechanism.

Of course, the criminal justice system also needs to do its job, because that's the way we send abusers to prison.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Six hundred athletes have come forward. Would you say that's enough of a situation to conduct a review of the coaches who have been accused of all these abuses?