It's rather surprising that you can carry so much old debt that you're able to do that.
It brings me to my point in terms of this so-called net book value. In this country, in terms of the government's direction, we want to see more effort put toward inner city transit, which would be a major improvement in terms of our environment. When you look at the value of CN or CP or most of the railways and you put the different values that are there, in many cases the land that you acquired you got for nothing. Is that correct?