I said what I said just to give you a sense that railroads.... I take a bit of exception with what the people who came yesterday told this committee. They portrayed us as gouging.
All I'm saying is that for the transactions with VIA, for instance, or the transactions we have with GO Transit, or the transactions that we have with the commuter agency in Montreal, AMT, the vast majority of them were negotiated at a time when CN was a Department of Transport crown corporation.