All right.
Mr. Wing was alluding to the issue of attrition and the reason why SMS is coming on board. It's very worrisome to members of this committee, I'm sure, that what I think I heard him suggesting is that SMS is coming about not as a result of Transport Canada and the government wanting to be safer, but you have evidence that suggests it's because there's attrition, and this is a way to fill the employment gap because such a large number of people are retiring, and there are not enough workers out there.
Is that what you're saying?