Evidence of meeting #46 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was employees.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Keith E. Creel  Senior Vice-President, Eastern Region, Canadian National
Peter Marshall  Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National
Jim Vena  Vice-President, Operations, Eastern Region, Canadian National

4:25 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

Peter Marshall

I think Mr. Rhodes is entitled to his opinion. I don't share it.

4:25 p.m.

Vice-President, Operations, Eastern Region, Canadian National

Jim Vena

The culture we have at CN is to move the traffic in a safe manner. That's the culture we want. And we do not....

I'm not sure, just as Peter said, where the witnesses got their facts and figures. I read their testimony and I'm not sure. I'm not here to debate what their testimony was. But I'll tell you that we're here as a company to move traffic safely. That's why it's one of our five. There is no economic sense for us to run an unsafe railway at CN, absolutely none.

April 25th, 2007 / 4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

So you're challenging the testimony of someone who almost lost his life and whose two friends died in that very same accident.

4:30 p.m.

Vice-President, Operations, Eastern Region, Canadian National

Jim Vena

That's not what I said.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

You're saying you're disagreeing with his opinion.

4:30 p.m.

Vice-President, Operations, Eastern Region, Canadian National

Jim Vena

That's not what I said. I said I'm not sure where his testimony came from.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Well, it came from experience, Mr. Vena.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Volpe.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Gentlemen, thanks for coming.

We're talking about two audit reports--one that followed the first one that the previous government initiated, to which you responded, as I understand, and then a subsequent audit, which is the one that Mr. Fast was referring to.

You accepted those findings, as I understand it. Am I right?

4:30 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

Peter Marshall

I would say--

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Did you get an opportunity to respond to the first one? It was a draft report.

4:30 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

Peter Marshall

There is a process, and again, it's an ongoing process, an evolution. The safety management system is still a relatively new framework that the industry--

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

But you buy into it.

4:30 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

Peter Marshall

Yes. We're part of the industry, we support it, and we participate.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

You'd comply with it--

4:30 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

--especially since you agreed with the draft report that set it up.

4:30 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

Peter Marshall

I'm not sure what the question is.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

You accept the safety management system because you were part of setting it up.

4:30 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

Peter Marshall

Yes, that's true.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

There are a couple of things I find fascinating.

I spoke to one of your representatives a few months ago. The minister, in a televised program, indicated that you as the corporation were preventing him from releasing the audit to which Mr. Fast made reference. Is that true?

4:30 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

Peter Marshall

No. Absolutely no.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

So you have no problem with that audit being released?

4:30 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Western Region, Canadian National

Peter Marshall

We felt that we had an opportunity, and it was important for our information to be accurately reflected in the audit. We do not--

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

You wanted an opportunity to make sure that it was an accurate reflection--