They don't necessarily say they discipline for violating...well, I guess what it means is that even if they injure themselves, they'll find a way to discipline the employee because it's their fault. “Human behaviour” is the catchphrase right now. It's human behaviour.
I was told before the vice-presidents came here, because I was in that health and safety meeting, that had the employee who got killed in Cornwall done her train inspection properly, which is a rule violation, she would have lived. You would get disciplined for not doing that inspection. She died.
Now, they would talk about this for five or ten minutes, but it was never brought up.... I did bring it up. I said, “Why was she working by herself?” This is a case of a lone worker. Had she been with somebody else, likely she would have been alive. They would have done their inspection. There would have been more sets of eyes and things like that. But that's the kind of thing I'm saying: it's our fault.
As for the rule 42 that I was talking about, the flagging system, the entire onus of that system is based on the employee getting out of the way. The operational part is non-existent. That's why we're asking for the slowdown. I mean, the thing there is that you could die if you don't get out of the way.