Evidence of meeting #52 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Franz Reinhardt  Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
Susan Stanfield  Chief, Aviation Security Regulations, Department of Transport

4 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Earlier, Mr. Reinhardt, you seemed comfortable with keeping the word “risk”, were you not? Personally, I think it is clearer.

I maintain my “Documented process for managing risks that integrates operations and technical systems with the management of financial and human resources ... ” The government later called for the removal of the words “... in order to reduce risk to the lowest possible level and make continuous improvements ...”

You do not seem comfortable with the words “... in order to reduce risk to the lowest possible level ...”

4 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

No, I mentioned that, in fact, any intervention could require management systems related to safety. I then said that the idea was to reduce the risk. I do not have a problem with that. As a witness, I am merely providing you with information.

4 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Perfect. Since you seem to be comfortable with the motion, I will move it so that we may proceed to the vote.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

We have an amendment on the floor, with a subamendment by Mr. Jean. We'll vote on the subamendment by Mr. Jean first, which would, as stated earlier, change it to: “'management system' means a documented management process that integrates operations and technical systems with the management of financial and human resources.”

Mr. Jean.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

It was a friendly amendment. If it's not accepted by my friend, it's not moved. It has to be a friendly amendment. If it's not accepted, then we don't have to remove it or vote on it.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Okay, the subamendment is withdrawn.

We are going to go to the amendment by Monsieur Laframboise.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Is it Mr. Laframboise or Mr. Julian?

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

It is Monsieur Laframboise's motion and we just corrected the record so that the English translation is in Mr. Julian's too.

Mr. Jean.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

I have another point of order.

Are we to understand, then, from the discussion that took place that the department is satisfied with what has been moved by Mr. Laframboise now?

4:05 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Yes.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Shall clause 1 as amended carry?

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

On the proviso that it will be brought back if anyone is dissatisfied.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

That is on the record as an agreement.

(Clause 1 as amended agreed to)

(On clause 2)

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Again, we have identical amendments issued by the Bloc and by the NDP. The BQ-2 amendment, Mr. Laframboise's amendment, was in first. I will go to Mr. Laframboise to move his amendment.

4:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

It is on page 3.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

It's on page 4 in your program.

4:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

That's right. The amendment is on page 3 and amends paragraph 3.1 a), which currently states: “... promoting and providing for the safety and security of the public ...” We are proposing the following wording: “... promoting and providing for aviation safety and security ...”.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

It continues with the words “... of the public and persons ...”.

4:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Indeed, it would continue as follows: “... of the public and persons who perform aeronautical activities or work in aerodromes or other facilities relating to aeronautics ...”.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Everyone has the amendment in front of them. It's on page 4 at the bottom of your documents.

Mr. Jean.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Excellent. It's a very good clause.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

We're now going to move to BQ-3 on page 6.

Perhaps I'll let you move the amendment and then I'll advise the committee of some of the inner workings of what we found out with the other amendments.

Monsieur Laframboise.

4:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

We are still on page 3, but moving on to paragraph 3.1 b), which reads:recognizing the responsibility of persons regulated under this Act for the safety and security of their activities;

We would like to add the words “under this Act" after “security of their activities”.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Laframboise, if I may, what I'm looking at on page 6 is that the original amendment was—

4:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

I have two amendments. One involves removing paragraph b), which is on page 6, or adding the words “under this Act”. I am open to discussion.