Evidence of meeting #55 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sms.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Franz Reinhardt  Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
Susan Stanfield  Legal Counsel, Department of Transport
Merlin Preuss  Director General, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Mr. Chairman, it would be logical to be dealing right now with the proposed new proposed subsection 5.31(7) on inspection. That's where we are in the bill right now.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Okay, but then I have a second page with an A and a B, talking about the “Approval of Minister of Transport of standards & rules established by a designated organization”. Is that to follow?

4:25 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

It's still linked to the designated organization only.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

That's where the confusion comes in, Mr. Chair.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Can you tell me on what page and line the new proposed subsection 5.31(7) fits into the bill?

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Line 29.

4:30 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Page 11, line 29. After proposed subsection 5.31(6), you have proposed subsections (7) and (8).

June 4th, 2007 / 4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

In French, is it after line 23?

4:30 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Yes. No, excuse me, it is after line 26.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

In French, it is 26.

4:30 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Yes, it is shorter in French.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Okay, we're going to deal with the new one, both pages, and then we'll revert to amendment G-2.1.

Is there any more comment on the proposed subsection 5.31(7)?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

We're going to turn the page over and deal with proposed subsection 5.31(8), which would probably go on the same page.

Mr. Jean, do you want to speak to that?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Yes.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

One, tell me on what line and what page.... And I know it should follow.

What's happened is that amendment G-2.1 is actually dealing with page 14, but we're referring to it constantly, I guess, to straighten this up. We don't have this implemented to make the changes, but we're working backwards.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Mr. Chair, I would so move it, and I would ask the department to explain the rationale for this and where it follows in the bill.

4:30 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Could you ask me the question again, please.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

I would like you to tell me where proposed subsection 5.31(2).... I guess we know it's going to follow the one we just dealt with.

But what is the rationale behind proposed subsection 5.31(2) being subject to proposed subsection 5.31(8), dealing with the standards and rules established by a holder.

4:30 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

What happened is that under proposed subsection 5.31(2)—

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

I can explain.

4:30 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Under proposed subsection 5.31(2), “A designated organization may exercise or perform the powers, duties and functions set out in its certificate of designation, which may be any of the following: (a) the establishment of standards” as well as “the establishment of rules”.

So we're saying that subject to subsection 5.31(8).... And then you go to that subsection 5.31(8), where you say that those “standards and rules established by a holder of a certificate of designation pursuant to subsection (2) shall be reviewed and approved by the Minister of Transport before being published in accordance with with subsection 5.36(2)”. That means the Minister of Transport keeps control over whatever standards and rules the designated organization is establishing.

I'm sorry, it looks a little convoluted, but it's all logical if you go from proposed subsection 5.31(2) to proposed subsection 5.31(8), and it's all lined up.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Monsieur Laframboise.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

If I understand correctly, in subsection 5.31(2), page 10 of the French version, line 32, we would add the words "Saving and accepting subsection (8)" before the words "Designated organization". Then, the subsection would read as follows:

(2) Saving and accepting subsection (8), a designated organization may exercise or perform the powers, duties and functions set out in its certificate of designation, which may be any of the following:

4:35 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

That is right.

4:35 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

It is the first one, the letter (a).

Under (b), you add, on page 11, after subsection (7) that we just adopted, a subsection (8) that deals with established standards and regulations.