All right, let me apply myself to the companies, and this is off the cuff. I would say that VIA is probably in four or five, and they would state that they're still looking for ways to improve it.
I think CP is in the mid-range. They embrace it, but as Faye Ackermans says, it's a fragile thing. You have to be moving along and bringing everybody under the tent.
CP is in a stage one or two--