If I may add something, Mr. Chair, on that one, the experience we've had about this is that most people find our speeches very interesting, but only get convinced when they see good examples. If I can go back to the aviation side for a minute, what some companies like Air Transat have seen, and it took many years, since they implemented SMS—and we hope that the railway company will follow suit—is that there is far more communication inside the company between labour and management. Labour is reporting problems before they arise, before they cost. So there's a lot of cost saving that is possible within the company. So not only are there safety benefits to going SMS, but as proven by more than one company, there are actually cost savings; therefore there are real financial benefits to going there, because problems and issues are discussed and resolved before they generate cost, which was not the old way of doing things. But it takes time.
On April 1st, 2008. See this statement in context.