I'm absolutely aware of Mr. Lewis' comments. As I said earlier, it's a continuous journey. The rating of between a three and a four is something that I think is an accurate assessment of where Canadian Pacific is at right now.
We believe that our long-term output safety matrix, where we want to be in terms of the number of safety accidents and personal injuries and environmental situations.... We have a very, very aggressive target in our multi-year plan, and the only way we're going to get to that level of result.... Again, inputs are most important, and we believe we absolutely need to move to this greater interface and effectiveness with our health and safety committees.
We talked earlier about encouraging employees to come forward. We very much want to do that and to continue to work on building trust with our employee base, both with our managers and our employees. Our managers are members of those health and safety committees. They sit on those committees.
We, at CP, are moving to a pilot. It happens to be in the United States, in Wisconsin. It's a close-call reporting pilot with regard to train accidents. We're the second railway in North America, after the Union Pacific, to be involved in this close-call reporting pilot. We're very proud of that. Again, that's about having our employees report—unfortunately, to a third party at this time—and that third party will provide that information back to the railways. Again, it's all around close-call reporting.
I'm not satisfied that the level of trust is where it needs to be. We have 126 years of history at Canadian Pacific. But I do think we're moving in the right direction in piloting different techniques to encourage employees to bring forth potential close-call incidents without the fear of being disciplined.
That being said, I must admit there are circumstances where there's negligence or wilful disregard for rules and regulations and practices. We need to think about how we're going to deal with that in terms of the immunity question, because it's not an easy, simple issue to deal with. But we are working through that, and we hope to learn a lot from this particular pilot sponsored by the federal railway administration in the United States. Of course, we're very interested in doing likewise here in Canada with Transport Canada.