I note that the panel said, on page 70 of the report, “Based on what we've heard through the Review process, there appears to be a serious disconnect between CN's stated objectives and what is occurring at employee levels.” I know that this goes to the traditional rules and discipline model, but it also seems that the health and safety committees would play a role.
At the last panel, I presented a photograph that I had taken in CN's yard. It showed safety as being the fourth item on their list. They had said that safety was number one, and I sort of challenged them on this. They said that this didn't necessarily represent the hierarchical order of things, and yet, in another photograph that I sent to Mr. Miller afterwards, these four were broken down into four separate panels—I'm talking about the Prince George yard—that went in descending order, like steps, down the wall.
It says here that safety is every employee's responsibility. I agree with that. I guess in the broad sense, even the management are employees. But I take managers and employees in the sense of people who work for the employer, generally, meaning the company has to have that responsibility as well, and it has to be number one.