From the transportation aspect, they mostly are new hires. I'm not speaking about the carmen and so on. There have been none since 1987. That was the last influx of employees on CN lines west, in any case.
Now we have a new experience, and that's that our supervisors, our train masters, are being hired off the street. There is no more flow of people from the ranks, with twenty years' experience, to these positions. We're ending up with ex-managers of Starbucks and A&B Sound electronic stores coming in. And frankly, they're quite often there for less than a year once they see the culture they're dealing with.