I'll deal with item 10 first. The other one is item 8. You don't have that in front of you, and I apologize for that.
On increases in fines, I've read some of the discussion that you've had so far and some of the comments by Transport Canada on this. It seems to us that the current $500 to $5,000 is not really an impediment for a lot of people. If you look at what the cost is, particularly with delays, $5,000 is very insignificant. For you and me and our pocketbooks, that's a lot of money, but on these kinds of things it's not.
One of the challenges coupled with that is that over the last 100 years there have been a lot of bridges constructed in Canada that would be termed unlawful under the legislation. In order to do repairs on those, they have to be made lawful, but how can you make them lawful without doing the repairs? You get into a circular argument with that. Do the fines really offer any impediment?
In terms of the legislation, if it were changed Transport Canada would have the authority to demolish a bridgework if it didn't meet the requirements or the standards. To me, that's a more significant penalty than a $5,000, $10,000, or even $50,000 fine. I don't know what level you would put the fines at to make it a serious impediment. I think the removal of a structure would be more of a penalty and would really make people pay attention to it, so that when they're doing their engineering and their bridgeworks they're going to adhere to what the legislation says and make sure it's adequate so they don't have any chance of that happening.