I'll answer your second question first.
To my knowledge, none of the Waterkeeper programs has ever been consulted on this, and certainly none of the volunteer organizations that I spoke to in the Lake Ontario watershed has been consulted on this. We were up on the Abitibi River earlier this week taking a trip down the river, recreating a traditional native voyage, and they certainly also were not aware of any of these issues. It's possible that in terms of a disconnect in the earlier consultation process, the grassroots groups or enough organizations weren't captured or weren't consulted. Maybe that's why this perspective is new or newer to the committee.
I would also say that--