They are. Some of the smaller communities do have challenges. They can use the gas tax money or their GST rebates, among other initiatives.
Some provinces have been incredibly quick. I have to say, British Columbia, Gordon Campbell's government, is a pleasure to work with. They move very quickly, and I think that serves people in British Columbia well. Gary Doer's government and his Minister Ron Lemieux work incredibly well with the federal government. I can say that we've had a great relationship with Minister Normandeau in the province of Quebec. We're moving quickly.
We've managed to put aside politics in Ontario, where I was the critic of the infrastructure minister only three and a half years ago. In the Ontario legislature, we're getting things done. We have seen a significant number of examples where people really are responding to the challenge and moving quickly.
Shawn Graham's government in New Brunswick came out with an infrastructure stimulus plan in December and are great partners with us.
So I think this economiclally challenging time is certainly bringing the best out in people.
We do have programs for municipalities as well, with respect to some very low-interest loans, which Minister Finley announced.
Obviously we don't have much money federally either. We're borrowing money. So are most provinces. Maybe not socialist Manitoba, where they are running a surplus, but most provinces are running deficits. We do have a program that can provide some low-interest loans to municipalities, which provides another measure of help, which is, I think, good news.