I don't think we have to dream about high-speed rail. I've travelled on many of them around the world.
But when you transform society, which is what we're talking about doing, by getting 80% of the people travelling between Edmonton and Calgary onto a train rather than a personal conveyance device that they can drive from their driveway to someone else's driveway, it's an enormous convenience. How do we accomplish that societal change with this investment of billions and billions of dollars? Are we going to accomplish it or are we going to find that we won't be...?
That's where the visionary stuff really has to be. Can we modify society enough to make high-speed rail successful in any case?