I know there's some skepticism about the numbers. I made it clear that they're cited from the Washington State Department of Transport on the Lower Mainland's benefits from this service. I'm happy to try to identify the specific study and go back and look at it. I don't think anyone is arguing that there will be no benefits from it. We have to do our part to pay for rapid transit, buses, and so on. We're going through a debate in B.C. right now, on the Lower Mainland, about trying to raise $4.5 billion over the next 10 years to make investments in partnership with senior levels of government.
So I don't make any apology for saying the City of Vancouver has not allocated the money for a high-speed rail corridor. All I'm saying is that I think the City of Vancouver and its partners with the province and with Ottawa should be saying that's where the future lies and we've got to take coherent steps now to get there. As Mr. Gilbert has pointed out, if we don't, we're going to be in a serious problem.