Evidence of meeting #40 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was projects.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Yaprak Baltacioglu  Deputy Minister, Department of Transport
John Forster  Associate Deputy Minister, Associate Deputy Minister's Office, Infrastructure Canada
Marc Grégoire  Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security Group, Department of Transport
Suzanne Vinet  Associate Deputy Minister, Deputy Minister's Office, Department of Transport
Guylaine Roy  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy, Department of Transport
Mary Komarynsky  Assistant Deputy Minister, Programs Group, Department of Transport
André Morency  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Management and Crown Corporation Governance, Corporate Services, Department of Transport

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities. This is our 40th meeting.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), we're considering supplementary estimates (B) for 2009-10, with votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 17b, 20b, 35b, 40b, 45b, 50b, 55b, 60b, and 65b under Transport, which were referred to the committee on Wednesday, November 4, 2009.

Joining us at the table today are the Honourable John Baird, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities; the Honourable Rob Merrifield, Minister of State for Transport; Yaprak Baltacioglu, deputy minister of Transport Canada; Suzanne Vinet, associate deputy minister; and John Forster, from Infrastructure Canada.

We welcome you.

I know that the minister has an opening comment and I'm sure we're all ready and willing to listen. We've asked the minister to be here for one hour. I'll advise the committee that he has another commitment, but he has committed to the first hour.

I'll ask him to open, please.

3:35 p.m.

Ottawa West—Nepean Ontario

Conservative

John Baird ConservativeMinister of Transport

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

We have Mr. Volpe on a point of order.

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Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Does this mean that both ministers are leaving after an hour?

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Yellowhead Alberta

Conservative

Rob Merrifield ConservativeMinister of State (Transport)

My commitment is for an hour.

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Liberal

Gerard Kennedy Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Does that mean that the ministry staff are also leaving?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

I don't have a note on that. Is the staff prepared to stay for the second hour?

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Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

They are willing to stay.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

That's wonderful. Thank you very much.

Mr. Baird, we'll have your opening comments.

December 2nd, 2009 / 3:35 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

I'm very pleased to be here again, particularly in the presence of the member for Eglinton–Lawrence.

I'm also joined, as you've said, Mr. Chair, by key members of the Transport Canada and Infrastructure Canada team. They've done an outstanding job in this past year in dealing with our infrastructure stimulus. I want to congratulate them and all their officials, who have done a fantastic job.

Our meeting today is to discuss the 2009-10 estimates, part (B). Before I address specific line items, I'd like to thank the members for their cooperation and ongoing work on behalf of Canadians. I appreciate the work the committee has done over this past year. I especially want to highlight discussions that took place this fall among committee members with respect to Bill C-37, An Act to amend the National Capital Act and other Acts.

As I noted in my last appearance before the committee, our government is committed to creating jobs, stimulating the economy, and supporting Canadian families through Canada's economic action plan. Earlier this year when I was before this committee, I explained how these actions are contributing to a cleaner environment, safer roads, and more prosperous and livable communities. Through these actions, Canada will emerge from this recession sooner than other countries and stronger than ever.

While we are seeing signs of recovery here in Canada, it's important that we continue our course of action and our ongoing work, much of which is outlined in these supplementary estimates. I'd like to highlight a few of the line items of note.

Transport Canada is requesting a net increase of $27 million to the 2009-10 main estimates. This funding is for vital programs and policies that will enhance safety and security, ensure environmental protection, improve Canada's infrastructure, and much more.

For example, we're requesting $10.3 million to strengthen Canada's air cargo security system. This money was announced in budget 2009. We plan to use this to introduce new screening technologies and processes, which will help make air transport safer and more secure. Not only will it improve security and keep Canadians safe, it will help businesses to transport goods more efficiently, which gives us an economic advantage.

Another important project Transport Canada has been working on is the redecking of the Honoré-Mercier bridge in Montreal. I am sure that my colleagues in the Bloc Québécois are very familiar with this major project. It is nothing less than the largest redecking project in Canadian history. The project is progressing well. Today, I’m requesting a re-profiling of funds to continue this important work.

We are requesting $3.3 million under the gateways and border crossings fund for the Blue Water and Peace bridges. These are key elements in the government's efforts to enhance our gateways and corridors.

Turning now to infrastructure, at no other time since the Second World War have investments in Canada's infrastructure been more important or, I believe, more significant. Guided by Canada's economic action plan, almost $12 billion in new infrastructure stimulus funding is now available and is funding projects primarily over the next two years. Our ongoing commitment is reflected once again here in the supplementary estimates.

Infrastructure Canada is seeking $547.3 million to support contributions to infrastructure projects across Canada and to manage its progress. This request will address both new and ongoing funding requirements. For ongoing items, the funds requested are for projects under our existing funds, such as the building Canada fund. We work in partnership with the provinces, territories, and municipalities to match our funds, and our funding is being provided as projects get built—in other words, funding flows in accordance with our partners' construction schedules. As big projects across the country come to life, funds flow.

You will note the $547.3 million in additional funds requested. Infrastructure Canada is seeking $9.3 million in operating expenditures. This funding will go towards implementing new programs announced in the action plan and will continue to ensure appropriate resources are invested for oversight and management of existing funds.

Honourable members, you've seen in your own backyards that we are making good progress on the commitments under Canada's economic action plan. Just 10 months into our two-year plan, our government has already committed 97% of the economic action plan. This adds up to 12,000 projects across the country, 8,000 of which have already begun.

From the $4-billion infrastructure stimulus fund alone, we've committed more than $3.6 billion. We've announced $2.85 billion of federal spending on 96 major projects across Canada, and under the communities component, $1.375 billion in federal dollars has been announced for 1,255 projects.

I'll now ask my colleague, Rob Merrifield, to say a few words.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Merrifield Conservative Yellowhead, AB

I want to thank the committee for the opportunity to be here. I'm pleased to answer any questions with regard to areas of my specific jurisdiction, and when it comes to stimulus, that would be Alberta and Saskatchewan. I'm pleased to answer any questions you might have with regard to those projects.

There are 280 projects in Alberta, for a total project amount of $3 billion or so. In Saskatchewan, there are 309 projects, for a total of about $1.2 billion. As far as the stimulus funding goes, we have 100% of that allocated, so we're pleased to be able to answer any questions on that.

But with regard to the rest of my portfolio, there is some spending in the estimates, you'll see, with regard to Canada Post and CATSA, and I would be pleased to answer any questions you might have. There's some spending and there are some changes there that you might want to ask some questions on.

Also, I'd be pleased to answer anything about the railway. It's an important day for the railway, because we've just heard the strike is over and 1,700 railway engineers are back to work. That is very, very good news because there is $100 billion a year of import-export rail service to this country. It's a very significant thing that has happened. I think everyone in this room, every party in this House, certainly should take a bow for being able to move that issue along.

When it comes to the railway, it is very important for us to understand that it is what keeps our country competitive. There's a very large land mass in Canada relative to the population, so as raw material is our base, shipping and moving products is very key to our prosperity.

With that, we have had some concerns from the shippers about CN and CP, which are the two main rail lines, with regard to allowing the competitiveness of our shippers in the supply chain. Because of that, we have brought forward and established the rail freight service review. We're in the middle of that. The first stage is over, with a compilation of a lot of the data. That has taken about a year.

We have now moved into the second stage and have announced the panel that will bring forward recommendations to government. That panel's chair is Walter Paszkowski, a former transport minister in the Province of Alberta. From the railway industry, we have David Edison, who's a former CN executive, and from the shippers, we have Bill LeGrow, a former forestry executive. These are very astute individuals. I'm very pleased at that they're taking on this opportunity for the country.

It's an opportunity both for rail and for shippers to be able to keep our competitive edge as we move forward in the 21st century. We wish the panel every success. They will be releasing an interim report in the first half of 2010, a very significant report that will hopefully flow from it some potential changes that will have met with consensus from both the shippers and the rail companies. We look forward to that.

With that, I'll leave my comments there, and we'll entertain any questions you might have on these issues or any others.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Thank you, Ministers.

As we're doing estimates, I have to call for vote 1, which opens the debate, and advise the committee that if we don't get to voting, at the end of the day the estimates will be deemed reported back to the House.

Mr. Volpe, you have seven minutes.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Mr. Chairman, I'm going to take advantage of the fact that Mr. Kennedy is here on infrastructure. I've talked to a couple of my colleagues on the opposition side and I'm sure they'll want to do the same thing. I'm going to hand my time over to Mr. Kennedy, and I'm sure Mr. Laframboise and Mr. Bevington will do the same.

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Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Non, non.

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Voices

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

Gerard Kennedy Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Thank you, Mr. Volpe,

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Minister, I wonder if you could table for us today all the information you have from schedule H, the job creation and expenditure reports that are filed by projects in Ontario. You're coming to this committee asking for more dollars under supplementary estimates (B). Can you give us the progress reports that you've been collecting for this committee and, tangentially, also to support some of the claims that your department is making today? Because this is the committee to which you're meant to be accountable.

3:45 p.m.

Yaprak Baltacioglu Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you very much for the opportunity to bring some clarification to schedule H, which the honourable member has mentioned. To be very clear, the Canada-Ontario infrastructure stimulus agreement does not have a schedule H. We do not collect the job-level information. The schedule H to which the honourable member is referring is in the Ontario and municipalities agreement. The federal government is not a signatory to that particular agreement.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gerard Kennedy Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Thank you.

Clerk, I wonder if you might produce this for the benefit of the committee and pass it along?

On schedule H, there is the Government of Canada logo, and it asks about jobs and asks about expenditure.

Now, Deputy, if the minister is refusing to answer, are you saying that the Government of Canada doesn't want to collect that data that's to the province and that you don't have any of this data?

3:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Yaprak Baltacioglu

Mr. Chairman, let me just be very, very clear. The Canada logo appears on the Ontario agreement. We are not sure exactly why they chose to put that logo there. We are seeking clarification from our provincial colleagues. That's one thing.

We are not a signatory. That's the second fact.

Number three, until this schedule H was brought to our attention in the last day, I wasn't aware of its existence, nor was my senior management, and we do not have the data from the Ontario government.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gerard Kennedy Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Through you, Mr. Chair, could I then ask, where is the information that your department collected on calling projects in the months of August and September? Will you table that data here today?

3:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Yaprak Baltacioglu

In regard to the data that was given to our department as part of the quarterly reporting, we submitted the data, the September report, the data we got on projects, to the government operations committee. If this committee also wishes to receive it, we will make it available.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gerard Kennedy Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Now, may I clarify? You submitted to the government operations committee the original application data, but you gave to the Parliamentary Budget Office some supplemental data, which is update status data. You haven't provided that to the committee—

3:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Yaprak Baltacioglu

Mr. Chairman, yes, we have done so.

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Liberal

Gerard Kennedy Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

—so I just want to clarify, can that be provided here as well?

3:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Yaprak Baltacioglu

We have provided to the government operations committee, I believe on Monday—