It strikes me that this is the tendency as programs develop and as time goes on. These things become little empires unto themselves and they get bogged down with all kinds of issues, including labour management relations and all that goes along with that. So I'm not advocating that there isn't a place for the government to play a role, but as we evolve, it seems to me that these issues relate in a lot of ways to the security issues, which are really in their infancy stages as you develop them.
I'd like to have your perspective on whether that's an accurate description. When you look at some of the agencies that have been around for a long, long time, at how they've evolved and what has happened to them when they're government-run, I would be interested in your perspective. Have you looked at those parallels? Have you looked at efficient management, efficient delivery of services, and increasing security at the same time? That's what we're driving at in our committee work with the CBSA, because we see that with the existing resources. They can do a much better job, in a much more streamlined way, without having to throw more money at it.