Evidence of meeting #27 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was projects.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brock Carlton  Chief Executive Officer, Federation of Canadian Municipalities
Dale Harvey  Assistant Executive Director, Saskatchewan Association of Rural Municipalities
Gabriel Miller  Director, Government and Media Relations , Federation of Canadian Municipalities

12:45 p.m.

Director, Government and Media Relations , Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gabriel Miller

I would say that a dollar spent on infrastructure at any time will typically outperform a dollar in tax cuts in terms of job creation, simply because infrastructure spending almost overwhelmingly stays in the domestic economy. There's very little leakage outside. Most of the labour and most of the materials are local, whereas a tax cut could often go to buying things that are consumer goods from outside the country.

But on the benefits of infrastructure as an economic stimulus, that's definitely a short-term argument. The point about investing in infrastructure--and I think it's very important for us to make this clear--is that it's not a job strategy for the next 10, 15, or 20 years. Infrastructure is the backbone of an economy that can create jobs, and that economy obviously needs a competitive tax system, good businesses, innovation, and well-trained workers.

Looking at that aspect of infrastructure, we see that very much as part of the short-term context. You're right. For the long term, we think there's a very strong economic argument for having good infrastructure. It's not so much about how many jobs the project is going to create as it is about how it's going to create a community that's economically competitive.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Absolutely.

My final question is this: in your analysis of that ,did you take into consideration what the cost of government is? Because of course when you cut taxes, that money just doesn't come to government. It doesn't have any filter that costs 20% or 25% of the money itself to implement any kind of strategy. In fact, it goes straight to the people who actually spend the money, and hence they get a better return on investment for themselves.

Did your analysis on the number of jobs created actually look at that and say that when you have a dollar that goes to the government, the government takes a cut to implement any kind of strategy, whereas if you cut the dollar in the taxes, people get to decide what they want to spend it on? Did you look at that analysis as far as job creation goes?

12:45 p.m.

Director, Government and Media Relations , Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gabriel Miller

I'd have to talk to our economist who did it.

I would say two things. One, you've probably got us on that one. That kind of administrative transactional cost probably isn't captured. I'd be surprised if that would make up the kind of difference we're talking about, but it's a good point.

Certainly, we're not here to make the case that if all we did was take all those tax cuts and pour them into infrastructure, everything would be fine. It's a balance. We think that wherever you're investing your dollars, however much you invest in infrastructure, you want to get the greatest bang for your buck and make the most of it.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

I'm sorry, but I have to stop it there. We're over time.

With that, I'm going to thank our guests for being here today and for their presentations. I will ask members to stay at their chairs for one minute, but thank you again, gentlemen, and thank you to your organizations for being here.

In committee business, very briefly, because people either haven't responded or haven't notified us yet, on Thursday we will start again with infrastructure for the first hour, and the second hour will be on Bill C-509. For the 26th, we're waiting to hear from the infrastructure people. No one has confirmed on that date yet.

I'm suggesting that we move to Bill C-20 based on the discussions we had this morning. That will be coming out on your agenda. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact my office.

Are there any other comments?

The meeting is adjourned.