No. We met with the urban train operators and spoke with them. First, using a class 1 railway track, if we're talking about CN and CP, pertains to a contractual agreement that they have with them. We were very clear. In the railway operating permit for an urban train, for example, track maintenance is the responsibility of the track owner, and not the urban train. So, if there is a problem with the railway track, it's CN or CP that will be responsible. But there have been situations in the past where cars with defective wheels were used on urban trains, and corrective action had to be taken against Canadian Pacific and Canadian National to get them to come back and get the railway that should have been accountable to do the repairs. This is what the certificate will allow us to do.
But we mustn't think that, because they have an operating certificate, they are going to become responsible overnight for all the work on the tracks. These are contractual agreements that they have together, and we have nothing to do with it. What I want to know is what rules are going to apply.
The other advantage for the urban trains that some of us promoted and that they mentioned to the panel is the possibility, with the operating certificate, of being able to set out their own rules, which will be made in accordance with their operation, rather than adopt the rules of a railway that transports merchandise. It's an important point. So, this certificate will let them make their own rules and be exempted from existing rules, which they cannot be exempted from right now.