Evidence of meeting #55 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
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Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
No, it's the fact that we don't have any authority to do scheduling rules--not that we're against your amendment; the authority doesn't exist at this time to create scheduling rules.
Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
Yes, or anywhere, actually, in the act. I think the power to make rules are under section 18 of the current act, and there's nothing for scheduling.
Director, Rail Safety Secretariat, Department of Transport
And that's where we could recommend that we include the authority.
Liberal
John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON
I'm wondering if it would be possible to pass this as it is, and then perhaps have report stage amendments that would make it work.
I think we all want to do it.
Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
If you want to have something within SMS that could work, we did have some wording prepared that we can provide you.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
Mr. Julian, we're in favour of this, just to put it on the record, and we're in favour of the wording that Mr. Bourdon is suggesting to make it so we can have scheduling rules. But if we can deal with Mr. Dhaliwal's first, and then the proposal from the floor, with unanimous support from this side, to hear Mr. Bourdon's proposal in relation to bringing it in so there can be scheduling rules, then we're prepared to do that.
Bloc
Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC
Mr. Chair, you understand that we would like the wording to be clear, and the French version to match the English version. We seem to have a problem with semantics in the two texts. The French wording is also very important.
Conservative
Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
We have two options here that we can propose.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed
Before you do that, we're using this in reference to the motion presented by Mr. Julian.
Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
Yes.
There is one, if you want to include something into SMS. However, that will not be scheduling rules.
What is being proposed here is as follows:
the criteria to which the safety management system must conform as well as the components, including the principle of fatigue science applicable to scheduling, that must be included in a safety management system
Bloc
Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC
You are talking too fast; there is no simultaneous interpretation. Take your time so that we can understand you clearly.
Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
I'm sorry.
It is as follows:
the criteria to which the safety management system must conform as well as the components, including the principle of fatigue science applicable to scheduling, that must be included in a safety management system
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed
If we're in agreement with this amendment, it can't be presented by Mr. Bourdon. It has to be presented by a committee member.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed
Mr. Watson would move that, and I would ask if there's comment on that.
Monsieur Laframboise.
