Yes, of course it is happening, but it should not happen. And I think I testified here a few years ago on that situation, more specifically with rail companies, where we had done an SMS assessment and found out that what we're supposed to have in a company, which is a non-punitive reporting system, a system in place for all employees to report issues and problems as they find them, a system that says that the company must deal with every one of those issues, was not in place.
And this is part of the assessment we do in aviation. So whenever we do an SMS assessment of an airline, this is one of the components we look at. And if a company does not have that, then they don't get a good mark for their SMS assessment and they must correct it.
With companies where that works, the companies have told us they have seen a significant increase in internal reports of issues. And at the same time, many companies told us that while they have seen an increase in reports, they have also seen an increase in morale, because that builds more confidence between the employees and the companies, and that's the way to go to improve safety.