I think the first line of our submission says that we have been critics of safety management systems in aviation since they were first discussed in 1999, and we continue to be.
The theory of SMS is fantastic. The reality of SMS in the airline industry for CARs 705 operators--we agree with Ron's observations--is that there are a lot of problems out there. The theory has not been translated into reality, which is where our members work.
So I'm not going to say in principle yes or no, because there is a great theory, but the reality is not living up to it. I guess where we have the greatest difficulty is with risk management. Where risk management allows...