Dennis Bevington at the Transport, Infrastructure and Communities Committee

But you've said that the objectives of the aviation safety...or this campaign we're operating, are to bolster union membership and an increase salaries and benefits. What we've seen since SMS has come in is that there seem to have been a lot of decreases. What is the result of that?

Now I'll go on to the National Airlines Council of Canada. What would you say the position of Canada in aviation safety was prior to the implementation of SMS?