Evidence of meeting #12 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was needs.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gary Webster  Chief General Manager, Toronto Transit Commission

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

At the same time, even in smaller cities, some sort of standard is helpful, because there are certain jurisdictions in which public transit is simply not appropriate, as there's not the necessary concentration of population. If you tried to install a mass transit system in the Northwest Territories, it would be of no use and of great cost. In that instance, you would use the same farebox recovery rate and you would come to a very different number. That number would tell you that the investment was probably not a good one, and in the case of the Northwest Territories you would look at other investments, such as roads, heavy rail, and other things that might allow goods and people to move efficiently.

I simply think there has to be some mathematical way we can guide our investment decisions.

4:15 p.m.

Chief General Manager, Toronto Transit Commission

Gary Webster

I think in cities where the demand drives the transit decisions, it's pretty straightforward. Toronto has service standards. It's based on crowding. We don't have policies in Toronto that say you must have a bus come by every six or seven minutes. It's all driven by ridership. So in big cities it's pretty straightforward.

In smaller cities, it's really a policy issue. It really becomes an issue of whether you are prepared to spend money to serve a need. You have to determine what that need is and whether the money will be well spent. Is there a social need that's currently not being met in any other way? If transit is the answer to that, then you will not really be spending money very efficiently; but on a policy basis, that may be the right answer for that city.

For big cities like Toronto, it's pretty straightforward. The cities are more efficient with transit. So it's all driven by ridership. We all have our standards and policies related to that, and it's driven by the fact that more ridership that comes at you, the more buses and streetcars you have to put on the street.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

I have to interrupt proceedings now. The bells are starting to ring in the House.

For the information of the committee, we've had some discussion with Saskatoon and because of how late it will be when we get back, I've decided that this will be the end of the meeting today.

On Monday we will entertain witnesses again, and on Wednesday of next week we have the department coming forward.

Ms. Chow.

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

When are the estimates going to be before us, and the minister?

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

The estimates will be on the 30th of this month.

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

The 30th of this month. Thank you so much.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

We've confirmed that.

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

And will the minister be here also?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

He will be here, yes.

Mr. Webster, we thank you for your time, and I apologize again. This is part of our regular life.

4:15 p.m.

Chief General Manager, Toronto Transit Commission

Gary Webster

Thank you very much for the opportunity.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

The meeting is adjourned.