From the propane perspective, Mr. Chair, I'll have to get back to the member on the exact calculation. There are other people who will have far more of the answer than I, so I'll get back to you.
In terms of making the case, it depends where you are. There's not one solution that will fit everybody in Canada. The price of hydro for an electric car is probably cheaper in Quebec that it's going to be or is now in the province of Ontario, so when you look at the math, the math really depends on where you are. The math of converting to propane for fleets works out quite nicely in some jurisdictions and may not otherwise.
At the end of the day, it boils down to choice and giving the market the opportunity to decide what is best for a particular jurisdiction, be it a municipality or anybody else.
That's really what the propane industry wants. We have a product that has been around for a hundred years; it has been in fleets for a long time. Technology has advanced a great amount, and today it is essentially seamless in your fleet vehicles, whether they are trucks or anything else. If we're given the opportunity to compete with someone else or with any other source of energy for the fleet business, we'll do just fine. We'll win some and we'll lose some. That's okay.
The back half of your question really depends on where you are. If a municipality in the province of Quebec or the provincial government of Quebec chooses to go electric because it's less expensive to power that vehicle, then so be it, but they could choose propane for all kinds of reasons; maybe they can't get enough power to power a certain community. You can also use propane for more than just transportation, depending on where you are. It really depends on geography.