Okay. Also, when you address the issue of urban transportation, I think we need to be a little more focused. We're really looking at passengers per hour per direction. If we cannot achieve 30,000 per hour per direction for heavy rail, that makes it very hard for any funding formula to propose a Cadillac urban transit system.
What I'd like to know is, if you look at the broad spectrum of Canadian municipalities in metropolitan centres, does that require a change in our concept of urban design for increased density? What is your proposal in how we go about doing that?