Yes, it is the tenth largest city. It has the CN and the CP lines that run through it for different purposes. I'm just wondering how we ever got to this point. I'm looking at the people here. I'm not sure what I want to say to all of you.
When Mr. Mongeau was there last week—and in our last meeting we had some shippers here—I thought it was healthy. I recall that some of my comments were to the effect, why didn't you just do this before? I want to give you a gentle boot. Frankly, I'm not necessarily a person who thinks that legislation is always the answer. But when you do have a different kind of marketplace—which you must admit, no matter what you call it—that has been supported, then I think it requires different obligations. You don't need a lecture from me, but it just strikes me as odd.
By the way, I found Mr. Mongeau's testimony at the last meeting to be credible, although I thought he was a little generous in his definition of competition. I also thought what several of the shippers' organizations said was credible as well. I also thought the shippers were more supportive than they might have let on. Once again, when I hear the shippers say that you're not doing enough, and I hear the railways say that they're doing too much, I'm almost at a point of thinking that we're getting pretty close to where it needs to be. That's just my personal reflection.