If we come back to forest products as an example, 55% of the forest products that are moved in Canada today don't even go by rail. They go by another mode. Of the 45% that's left, you have 15% that both railways can interchange and compete for. You have another 10% that is truck competitive; it's less than 500 miles. When you really get down to it, that gives you somewhere between 10% and 15% that you could really say is captive.
On March 5th, 2013. See this statement in context.