As Mr. Stoney said, there's a range of different P3 definitions out there. He read one. Marrying together design and build. I'm not an engineer, but I believe it's actually efficient, and it helps save money. Design-build-transfer is a form of P3.
As you will see, Dr. Loxley doesn't use rhetoric in his book. He canvasses a number of different types of P3s. The historical partnership of separately tendering design and build is a form of partnership. One form of P3s the fellow that appeared from P3 Canada with the previous committee, the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates, talked about.... He talked about the range of P3s and them not being appropriate for all infrastructure.
CUPE has no issue personally with design-build-transfer. Design-build-finance-operate and transfer in 35 years is where I think we get into trouble.