Mr. Chair, thank you to our witnesses for appearing today. We appreciate not only your testimony but your ongoing interest and participation in increasing the safety of transport by rail, and our ability to respond.
I want to start with Mr. Benson. I just want to probe your comments a little further here.
First, you said there's no safety culture in Canada. Then later you said there's no SMS. I want to be clear what we're suggesting here. Just to clarify your own remarks, are you saying that no companies have SMS, safety management systems, or that they haven't been able to produce a safety culture? I want to be clear about the distinction between the two.