With respect to safety management systems, I know that one of the reasons Mr. Benson may have said it's not worthwhile to have safety management systems is that you might have small independents or ma and pa operations. People like Gibsons, for instance, have a fleet of trucks that transport, as would others. In those instances you would think there would be some sort of corporate culture of safety which would say that notwithstanding there are regulations and notwithstanding that we're told what should be done, there must be some systemic things. Safety management systems would certainly augment or enhance regulations in situations that are peculiar to your industry.
Are there safety management systems in place? Should there be safety management systems in place for the bigger fleet companies? As a second question, why not provide some template safety management processes that ma and pa operations can tag into?
I see a number of hands. We'll start with Mr. Bradley and then we'll go to Mr. Shaw and then Mr. Benson.