If I could comment, Madam Chair, I would say this.
Mr. Hardie, if you want to talk about competitiveness, let's do that.
In 2007, when Air Canada Technical Services was sold, Air Canada was profitable. It was sold for over $925 billion to two consortiums: KKR and Sageview Capital, former managers of Nortel Networks Corporation. I was there. I was working in the hangars with the workers who are here today.
Management did not succeed in retaining those services. Why? Because of bad moves they made, such as taking over the Nortel Networks buildings, which cost several tens of millions of dollars and was a flop in terms of computer systems.