To that point, I'll just give you a bit of background. We worked on a pilot project. We were looking at sending eight ships into Monroe, Michigan, before the closure of the seaway. This would have been a novel idea. We met with the exporter and we met with all the stakeholders and we said, “As a pilot project what can we do?” As a port authority, we said it's a pilot project and we want to make this work, so for those eight ships we'll assess our wharfage—the fees that we normally assess—to zero. We spoke to the terminal operator and we asked what he could do to help out. He said, “When you look at the lift costs, so on and so forth, I'll do it at cost.” We spoke to the St. Lawrence Seaway and they gave us a discount on the locks.
Even with all those steps, we weren't able to make it cost-effective to compete with the railways. That's really the big issue. When you look at the cost factors involved, when you're competing with the railways, it's a very tall hill to climb. At some point we've often said the St. Lawrence Seaway and the Great Lakes are very underutilized. We have the—