Could I also add one other comment before we hear from our witnesses?
Given that we have a vote scheduled for 11:48, and knowing that we like to give ourselves about eight minutes to get over to the chamber, that's going to take 20 minutes from this panel. Can we rebalance the panels a bit so that we're not losing 20 minutes from one panel, but perhaps come back and provide an opportunity to hear more from these witnesses before we move into the second panel?