I'll take two minutes, Perry, then you can take all the rest of the time.
On the first point, as I've said, on the interswitching provisions, what my short-line members are telling me is that it's potentially harmful to them. I realize that if the rate was fixed temporarily, perhaps, we would have something that's compensatory. But we would be working within a further regulatory environment. That is not what my members are looking for.
Instead, what they're looking for, in terms of a government role, is for assistance with their needs to improve their infrastructure so that they can compete with trucks and have a level playing field with trucking. Don't forget, the regulation that government has imposed has caused more cost and there has been no additional funding put forward to help these short-lines.
I'll let you go ahead.