For 100 years, this room has been hearing these stories—for 100 years—and if these walls could talk, they'd say, “God, we haven't heard anything new for 100 years.”
We're now at a point with a new piece of legislation where we're going to try to do something very ticklish, and that is to define what we mean by “adequate and suitable” service. If I listen to you guys, it's, “Let's lean toward the demand side: that's adequate and suitable.” If we listen to the railroads, it's, “Let's lean towards supply, towards what we've got available.” I didn't challenge them—and I know this is unfair—but I'm going to challenge you. What does a win-win definition look like, where you get something good and the railways get something good?
Mr. Sobkowich.