I think, Ms. Drysdale, it was you who commented that the interswitching regime generally requires you to essentially drop off someone's goods at an interchange point so that somebody else can pick them up.
When we went through a study of Bill C-30 previously in this committee, the widespread testimony that we heard—and there were comments to this effect today—was that in fact that's not really what's happening. The vast majority of circumstances are really impacting the negotiation, and it is creating a sort of pseudo-competition, whereas there is none in the rail industry.
Is that incorrect? Is a change taking place at the negotiating table, as was the intention, or is it actually causing rail carriers to lose business to competitors?