I have to cut you off because I want to talk about P3s. There were comments made earlier about the P3 model, and I think there have been political views on P3s that have been expressed at this table on which I want to take the opposite view. I know that in Alberta we've had very successful P3 projects. I think there are some real issues with the infrastructure bank using taxpayer dollars to backstop some of these issues.
On the P3 side of the equation, you didn't talk at all about the third phase of it, which is the maintenance phase. Whether it's roads or schools that are built through the P3 model, it's been proven that the long-term maintenance contract for those facilities 30 years down the road will be better at the end than it would have been if they were turned over to the municipalities or the school board. They'll be done at a lower cost than would have been the case with a government entity maintaining that facility for 30 years.
I'd like a quick comment from both of you relative to looking at a P3 project from a 30-year perspective rather than at just the cost of building the project.