Well, hopefully they will still be around, if they are laid off. If they're not around and have been scooped up by many other air navigation service providers around the world.... As I said before, all trainees, with the exception of a handful, were terminated in September.
With regard to our staffing prior to COVID, if you go back to March 12—that's a day we like to use—we were a bit more than 13% short-staffed. The previous year, Nav Canada spent $100 million on overtime, and with all the retirement incentives that have now been given and the potential layoffs, we could be more than 20% short.
If the expectation is for the airlines and the services to come back—and that's everybody on this call—and if the expectation is for us to be there without any delays, as we have been in the past, or for the most part without delays, it is just not going to be there. It will take years to recover.