Maybe I'll ask a question on refunds. That's the next topic I wanted to go to, Minister.
We're in this odd situation right now where the government is saying there's going to be no assistance for the air sector without refunds to passengers. The airlines are saying there are going to be no refunds unless there is a financial assistance package.
How did we get to the point where passenger refunds have become a bargaining chip? We're a year into the pandemic and the airlines are still sitting on billions of dollars that rightly belong to these Canadian passengers. Could the minister tell us how we got here?