First of all, there's an important difference, because Switzerland is not part of the European Union, so the Swiss don't have to comply with EU law. That means that the business in Switzerland is a little different. It is completely operated by SBB, the national operator of the Swiss federal railways.
In Austria, it's different. There we have two operators. One is the state-owned operator, ÖBB, or Austrian federal railways, and there's also a private operator, WESTbahn, but its minority shareholder is SNCF, from France, so there's a difference in the model.
They are both very successful. In Switzerland, they are commercial, but, as I said earlier, the subsidies are in the infrastructure, so they pay a very small track access charge to the infrastructure manager. It doesn't cover the full cost, but it's an incentive not to use too many tracks. They have the same model in Austria, and both operators were very successful commercially until the coronavirus, when they decided to change the system. Now they're both public service-obliged.