High-frequency rail is going to be competitive with the automobile. High-speed trains are going to be competitive with the airplane. It depends on what your final objective is.
I have a certain vision. I believe Air Canada would abandon most flights served by high-speed trains. The trains would enter directly into the airports. It would be codeshared. I might even be able to get my Air Canada lounge benefits or Aeroplan points using Via Rail. If I'm out west, I'm able to get my WestJet points when I'm using the Calgary-to-Edmonton line. That's the dream I have. That integration cannot be done with high-frequency rail. That integration can be done only with high-speed rail.
If we choose high-frequency rail and not high-speed rail, we won't be able to significantly diminish air traffic in the triangle or these short flights, which are those—if we look at Europe—that can easily be replaced by trains. In this case, if you want to diminish airport congestion, remove a flight from Ottawa to Montreal. It's a shame for the 14 people in that plane, but if I can replace that flight with a new flight direct to, I don't know, Johannesburg, what will the better economic impact be? I think the better economic impact is to have a Montreal-to-Johannesburg flight at the airport, rather than a Montreal-to-Ottawa flight.